| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Chaplain
Shepherd
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Kent
|
 Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Kinda wondered if the Chariot might look a little like this
_________________
Chaplain Damien Sutherland
'Leaf on the Wind' |
|
| Back to top » |
|
 |
Sol
Pilot
Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 17
Location: The leaf on the wind
|
| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| looks cool. I'm guessing we will have to exchange the laser turret for a shuttle port though. |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Sol
Pilot
Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 17
Location: The leaf on the wind
|
| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I had a conversation about the chariot where someone (I forget who) said "as long as it dosen't look like a firefly with two asses" ...so I thought why not and messed about with a picture of serenity.
http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs8/3...06/161/b/b/ship_by_evil_dream.jpg
_________________
"looks like we made it just in time. What does that make us?"
"Punctual sir"
"Thats right, big damn... punctual" |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chaplain
Shepherd
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Kent
|
| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
LOL
I Like it.
The pic I posted up is taken from someplace else, and I thought I'd lifted all the laser turrets off of it, guess I missed one. AH well.
_________________
Chaplain Damien Sutherland
'Leaf on the Wind' |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jeff Milhaven
Grunt
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 110
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Like the Chariot. So glad i'd not started on that one...
Got a Barracuda and a Titan in the works though, both modified versions of ships from other universes. One Starwars, one Babylon 5, iirc.
Here's the isometrics.
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jeff Milhaven
Grunt
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 110
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
And now for some wacky numbers.
Firefly, list tonnage 2400t, could be cargo or gross empty weight, cargo bay 24,000 cubic feet.
Space Shuttle, cargo 26t, gross empty weight 2250t, cargo bay 10,600 cubic feet.
F-111, cargo 24t, gross empty weight 21t, cargo bay 240 cubic feet.
So, if the Blue Sun Catalogue list is gross weight, then the firefly weighs in at about the same as a Space shuttle with boosters and booster tank. Reasonable, since it is a similar size. Obviously the space saved by having more efficient engines is used for a larger hold. Trouble with this is that a Barracuda is only 50t, which would make it not much bigger than an F-111, which struggles to get a crew of 3 and more than a dozen bombs into the air. Even the titan ends up at Light-Cruiser weight. 200ft long, not much bigger than a firefly.
So. If the Blue Sun Cat list is cargo weight, then we should be working out ship holds at about 10 cubic feet per (blue sun cat) ton, based on the canon size and Blue Sun list weight for a firefly. This makes the Space Shuttle a list weight of 1060 tonnes. Roughly equivelant to filling the hold to the brim with steel bars. Given the ease at which 'Verse engines can apply thrust, not unreasonable.
Incidently, this means that my previous Huntress layout works. 
Based on modern avionic stats (gross empty weight=1x to 10x payload weight), and given that the Blue Sun listing is based on filling the hold to the brim with steel bars, the Titan could happily weigh in as much as 50,000 tonnes empty.
Roughly equivelent to a WWII heavy Cruiser. 850 feet long. Much better.
How far off am I Jon?
(I'm bored at work, ok?)
_________________
|
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chaplain
Shepherd
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Kent
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm hoping you're bang on there mate.
Otherwise 8 people in a Chariot gets mighty cosey...
_________________
Chaplain Damien Sutherland
'Leaf on the Wind' |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jeff Milhaven
Grunt
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 110
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well, tempting the devil, and gambling on my being right, here are the deck plans for the exceedingly cramped Barracuda...
_________________
|
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Tillymint
Mook
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 17
Location: Norwich/Reading
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
Don't know if this site is useful to any of you at all...
http://www.awtry.com/rpg/Welcome.html
_________________
RL: Lizy
Event I: Scarlitt/Ffion/Hope
Event II: Blossoms of Spring/Lucille/Sister Clementine
Event IV: Rhee the Hostess/D.I. Keane/Sgt. McAvera the shellshocked
"Kill you, rape you, turn your skin into clothes" |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Prince
Pilot
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 58
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
Nice link, cheers.
_________________
Prince, Grace's Gunsharks
'I ain't never crashed a ship I didn't like.'
Guns don't kill Reavers. Shuttles do. |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jon
It's all my fault
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Londinium
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The weights are calculated from the Serenity RPG with the Firefly being the listed example.
Given that the use of high grade aluminium, titanium and creamic components is commonplace there is a lot of leeway as to what the weight actually means.
If you compare a Landrover (Firefly) to a Lotus (Huntress) and a Lorry (Grasshopper) you come up with a lot of different material and design philosophies and aims.
There is also the fact that many of the player owned ships are or will be refitted and tinkered with. The Relentless will have undergone a lot of rejigging to suit it's new owners, military vessels do not come with walk in beer fridges as standard. Similarly the Aphrodite will have had the areas usually used for the suppression cannon and it's ammunition converted into storage or extra bunk space.
Then we look at computer systems and safety systems, the traveller will have a lot of it's space taken up with the computer system, emergency breathing masks and life pods and the reinforced hull and closing blukheads system to ensure passenger safety will take up a huge amount of space. The Chariot is mostly engine and cargo space, with a lot of space given over to the engineering bay and computer systems required to compensate for the fact you have two engines, both wanting to go directly forwards during pulse, with the power to each engine being varied to steer. I always imagine the Chariot as a long distance lorry idea with regards to crew quarters.
Currently the ship stats are 150 miles way and I'm not heading home until Friday so there may be updates and clarifications to this over the weekend.
_________________
"I aim to misbehave..." |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chase Tyrell
Captain
Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 4
Location: London
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Jon wrote: | | If you compare a Landrover (Firefly) to a Lotus (Huntress) |
I feel the need to point out that the physrep we used for the Aprodite (Huntress) was in fact a Landrover and that said Landrover was, in fact, faster 0-60 than a Lotus.
This is, of course, not relevant to the discussion in any way.
SB
_________________
"Did we just win?" |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Tillymint
Mook
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 17
Location: Norwich/Reading
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Chase Tyrell wrote: | | Jon wrote: | | If you compare a Landrover (Firefly) to a Lotus (Huntress) |
I feel the need to point out that the physrep we used for the Aprodite (Huntress) was in fact a Landrover and that said Landrover was, in fact, faster 0-60 than a Lotus. |
Don't forget the tigerprint faux fur seat covers. Class to a tee, that's companionship for you.
_________________
RL: Lizy
Event I: Scarlitt/Ffion/Hope
Event II: Blossoms of Spring/Lucille/Sister Clementine
Event IV: Rhee the Hostess/D.I. Keane/Sgt. McAvera the shellshocked
"Kill you, rape you, turn your skin into clothes" |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jeff Milhaven
Grunt
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 110
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Righto, Jon. I'll just carry on regardless, and you can tell me where I go-se up later. Once I get the stats i can re-jig.
Titan decks done. Crew of 24 based on long distance container ship crews.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chase Tyrell
Captain
Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 4
Location: London
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tillymint wrote: | | Don't forget the tigerprint faux fur seat covers. Class to a tee, that's companionship for you. |
Class/Power/Speed and the ability to keep going and going and, indeed going.
Alas it would take Jeremy Clarkson to make the expression "395 horses and a rally suspension that can take a real pounding" sound even remotely erotic and then only for a very specialised cross-section of people.
Under the circumstances I am going to let people continue to talk about "Deck Plans" without channeling Beavis and Butthead.
_________________
"Did we just win?" |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Lily
Mechanic
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 147
Location: South-by-the-Sea!
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Chaplain wrote: | | Sol wrote: |
How many bunks in a firefly? 13 isnt it? |
Something like that, but some of those are double bunks, so there's less than 13 bunk rooms. |
No bunks needed for engineers - we sleep in hamocks in the engine room... all the space in the 'verse!
I can see ship planning is a great game!
_________________
Aki Li Lee (Lily)
Jien Huo
A good engineer thinks in reverse and improvement... |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chaplain
Shepherd
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Kent
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
What is it about ship's engineers billeting themselves in the engineroom - ratchet's the bleeding same!
_________________
Chaplain Damien Sutherland
'Leaf on the Wind' |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Lily
Mechanic
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Posts: 147
Location: South-by-the-Sea!
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Peace, quiet and no one disturbs you there...well mostly. Its soothing to listen to the quiet hum of your ship... err, and of course waking up when there's a fire/problem/bit falling off/irate captain yelling/crew trying to "fix stuff"/someone pressing alarms... means you are right there to stop 'em.. 
_________________
Aki Li Lee (Lily)
Jien Huo
A good engineer thinks in reverse and improvement... |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Chaplain
Shepherd
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 76
Location: Kent
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
Also means you're on your own and far from the crew quarters when someone invades your ship. 
_________________
Chaplain Damien Sutherland
'Leaf on the Wind' |
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
Jeff Milhaven
Grunt
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Posts: 110
Location: Reading, Berks
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ladies and Gents, the Traveller Class transport.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top » |
|
|
|
