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Osgar123
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So what do people use as fire arms BB (with no BB of course) or Cap?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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It varies.
Some folks use Denix Replicas, some folks use Airsoft AEGs and GBBs, some use caps.
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XavierYu
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I've used a BB pistol and a cap pistol.
I've also got an AK 47 film prop from Lord of War that I want to use, but haven't yet...
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J. Vaughan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Frankly, whatever looks cool and suits your character. I wouldn't end up being too fussy, as the VCR 2006 bill has of course made it next to impossible to get hold of good replica's. Unless of course you have an exemption from this.
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JennyScott
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Or you are a creative type! In my not so humble opinion, the prettiest gun in the system is the one that was made out of plumbing supplies and old tennis rackets by some crazy genius with lots of black paint 
The guns at Serenity don't need to make a noise to work, so there's no requirement for caps, and anything that looks cool will do nicely. I use my brother's old BB guns because they are heavy and hard to carry around all the time, which for me makes everything feel that little bit more realistic
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Jon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a Denix man myself, my replica Le Matt (I call her Baby) is possibly the bestest thing in the whole world for larping.
When I actually get a chance to use the darned thing...
Blank firers (minus blanks), cap guns, toy guns from the pound shop, BB guns, paintball guns (minus gas and hopper), garage kit firearms, scratch builds they've all been done and work just as well as each other.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I think the best firearm I've seen at an event was at the first event.
A home made minigun - complete with spinning barrels. A design that is now much copied.
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randomtask
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I'll be using my Denix Infantry rifle and pistol, which look ace!
I'll admit though, as long as it looks good it doesn't matter what type of gun it is! |
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Jeff Milhaven
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Glad y'all liked my little friend 
Should be worth noting that the VCR Act also bans manufacture, which technically covers garage kit-bashes. The Specific Defence covers it, which is why Re-enactors and Airsofters can still make kit-bash weapons, but anyone else really should have made theirs before the ban.
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J. Vaughan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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In fact, if you're ultra sensitive aabout breaking the law, just buying a toy gun and spraying it black is tantamount to "construction of a replica firearm". This also applies to buying one of those 51% brightly coloured airsoft guns and spraying them
Just making you all aware of the law. To be honest, I wouldn't snear if someone used one of the brightly coloured replica's, it will be an increasing fact of life in the modern day/sci fi larp scene , as the odds of this law being reversed, are let's face it nil.
for cheap coloured versions I can recomend
http://www.actionhobbys.co.uk/
Although they don't do revolvers. For revolvers the only place that I know sells them is battleorders, and that will probably cost you plenty for a gun the looks rediculous.
Sucks, but thats the law.
Dave
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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For a hefty revolver, one could do a spray job on a NERF Maverick?
Infact a NERF Longshot, or Recon would also make a great looking sci-fi gun.
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Osgar123
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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just looked at some sprayed nerf guns 
They are way cooooooooooooool. If these do fit the concept, them I is gonna get some  |
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Tobias Rieper
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| J. Vaughan wrote: | | the VCR 2006 bill has of course made it next to impossible to get hold of good replica's. Unless of course you have an exemption from this. |
Actually, having read through it, it seems that there is a bloody great loophole in this law. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but:
Under the VCR act:
1/ It is not permitted to sell realistic imitation firearms/swords/etc to those who dont have an exemption, or who are a minor.
2/ It is perfectly legal to sell realistic imitation firearms/swords/etc to those who do have an exemption.
3/It is perfectly legal to own one, no matter if you have an exemption or not.
Given this, and due to the lack of provision for such an event within the act, there is a theoretical loophole in that it appears to be perfectly legal for an exempted person to buy a proscribed item, and give it to a none exempted person, providing they are not a minor/banned from ownership for some other reason.
"Unrelated Voluntary Contributions" to the buyer, from the recipient, could occur here, and thus the purchase has been made - the "weapon" is in the hands of someone who wasn't supposed to be able to get one - and the act has been circumvented relatively easily.
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Tobias Rieper
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Hmm.
Just had a chat with my local magistrate (aka "Mum").
Seems that i'm right on the loophole.....and it is already happening.
Apparently, there is a certain person running a "buy a bit of paper with some numbers on it, and get a free bb gun" scheme. Understandably, the local plod are upset at this....but say they can't do anything about it, as no law has been broken.
Crafty, eh?
and so the supply of plastic bb guns to idiots continues.....
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DrugCrazedPony
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| There is an exception for theatrical performances I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to consider LARP to be such an event. After all, the justifications for this exception applies to us as well. |
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Pandamonium
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I would totally consider LARP to be a form of theatre. We have costumes, props, scenery, sets. The refs give a script to the monsters and players are acting a character who reacts to the situation as that charcter would, not themselves.
Can you be more theatrical? We just don't charge people to watch us, or encourage an audience. However if people want to watch we let them, once they understand the situation.
PS the entire LARP weapons industry makes & sells imitation weapons in the form of swords & axes.
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Hiya,
Bit of advice - don't get an airsofter started on the VCR act and the fun of buying replica firearms!
There is a huge amount of confusion with buyers, sellers and authorities over the rules.
Here's a few points that may clarify things:
- To purchase a replica firearm, you must be 18 or over and qualify for one of the exemptions.
- To purchase a replica that is >50% funny colour you just need to be over 18.
- It is not legal to buy a part funny coloured one (because you don't have the exemption) then paint over the funny colours!
- A replica of a pre-1870 design is not restricted by the VCR act. You probably still need to be over 18 to buy it, but I think most old west guns aren't restricted. The Denix display / model ones should be OK. Don't blame a seller if they still won't sell you one though, they are the ones who will get into trouble and it probably isn't worth the risk to them that somewhere the rules will get miscomprehended. I don't know what extra rules there are on blank firing guns though.
- To meet the exemption, you need to be a member of a recognised group or organisation. For airsofters there is a database of airsoft club members that airsoft shops have access to, to check before they can legally sell it to you. Other exempt groups are theatrical, re-enactment and similar (LARP groups would qualify).
- Demonstrating the exemption is the tricky part. First, you need to demonstrate that you belong to an "official" club - this is pretty much defined as a club with a recognised insurance policy. Now all you need is a seller willing and able to check these credentials and then they can legally sell it to you! Airsoft buyers and sellers have an officially recognised method of doing this, but I have no idea how theatrical and other groups do it. I'm afraid I very much doubt you will be able to buy a replica just by saying you are going to a Serenity LARP.
- "Raffles" and "buy a box / numbered piece of paper, get a free gun" has been tried and have gotten seller's stock confiscated.
- You may be able to give someone a replica, but you may get into trouble if there is even a hint of any form of payment, repayment or trade involved. I know you can't give one away as a prize unless the winner can show they are exempt.
- The VCR act is to get sellers into trouble for selling replicas irresponsibly and the seller is breaking the law not the buyer. It is legal to own them, and also to have purchased them prior to October 2007 when the act came into force, just not buy one now without meeting the requirements.
- At the end of the day, replicas and airsoft guns are designed to look and even feel exactly (exactly is no exaggeration!) like real ones. As much of a pain as it is, I think the VCR act is a good thing.
- Threatening someone with a replica is the same offence as threatening someone with a real one. Carrying one in public is beyond stupid. When transporting a replica, a good reason readily to hand explaining why you have it in the first place is a very good idea should a policeman enquire.
I know for a fact that shops have gotten into trouble for breaking the rules. I don't know if anyone has gotten into trouble over a private trade, but I honestly don't know whether selling one privately to someone else at a game (would attendance demonstrate exemption?) is legal or not. There is nothing illegal about renting or loaning someone one though.
Hope it helps.
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| tettheeviltwin wrote: | Hiya,
Bit of advice - don't get an airsofter started on the VCR act and the fun of buying replica firearms!
...[lots of useful info]...
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You may hate writing them, but that was an excellent and very informative post, thankyou!
I was aware of the exclusion regarding guns/replicas of guns of a certain age, which covers most cowboy-era weapons, but only just in some cases.
One thing I also believe (and read from the VCR description on the Arnie's Airsoft site I think.) is that not only are you supposed to sign up for the airsoft register, but you also must visit an airsoft game three times. I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, and I'm certainly not sure if it has any affect on Larp! |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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To qualify in the first instance you need to attend a registered airsoft site / club at least three times over a period of three months.
That will get you a nice stamp on your UKARA memberhsip certificate (which you can present when you buy your first RIF) and a UKARA membership number which gets added to the national UKARA database, to be accessed by all licensed sellers.
However at the War & Peace show last weekend, many traders were selling RIFs at bargain basement prices without checking for UKARA membership.
So it seems that the law hasn't stopped the market trader type of seller, just made them a little harder to find.
IN regards to LARP there is currently no route for LRPers to get on the UKARA databse without attending airsoft.
That said, I Know a lot of LARPers that now do attend airsoft events for the primary purpose of getting the cert and buying RIFs (only they hooked on the new hobby too and wind up spending double what they intended)
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J. Vaughan
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"However at the War & Peace show last weekend, many traders were selling RIFs at bargain basement prices without checking for UKARA membership. "
Really? The reputable on es with decent AEG's weren't, or at least had big signas asking you not to bother. I was there too, and saw people, benig turned away. One possible explaination is that the VCR bill *does not apply to deactivated firearms*. Wierd, I know, but the truth.
Persoanlly I wasn't in the market for buying anything under a proper skirmishing AEG, and obviously ther were a *lot* of re-enactors purchacing for their mates there. The crappy springers may have been marketed by signifcantly less reputatble people.
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